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Biro-Poultry Cutter Stainless Steel Tabletop Poultry Cutting Machine. 9-inch diameter special cutting blade

 

The Biro-Poultry Cutter was the first one of these I ever saw, to me it was the most dangerous piece in the market, I've seen 4 men lose a part of or a finger on one. My brother worked for Panty Pride in the late 60's he saw many cutters hurt on one of these and a lot of loss fingers. The union in Atlanta made the stores take them out because so many meat cutters were getting hurt on them. Between the Hobart Slant Saw or the Biro-Poultry Cutter, I say the Biro-Poultry Cutter was more dangerous

 

WHAT SAY YOU, you ever seen anyone get hurt on one of these??



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Never used one. Looks like a scary machine. I hope it has been outlawed

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Wow-I must be old. I have cut with a Hobart slant saw. When you interviewed and saw one in the market, you kinda made sure interview wasn't great! Scary machine, everything you cut acted like a frozen pig foot and jumped into the blade. Less fatigue on operator in exchange for a finger or three.

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Wow-I must be old. I have cut with a Hobart slant saw. When you interviewed and saw one in the market, you kinda made sure interview wasn't great! Scary machine, everything you cut acted like a frozen pig foot and jumped into the blade. Less fatigue on operator in exchange for a finger or three.

 I know.  I had a bad accident cutting a shortloin on a slant saw.  I heard they were recalled but so many were  not returned.



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Never even saw one, just as well.  Scariest tool I ever used was the WhirlyBird (Power Cleaver).
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Biro-Poultry Cutter Stainless Steel Tabletop Poultry Cutting Machine. 9-inch diameter special cutting blade

 

The Biro-Poultry Cutter was the first one of these I ever saw, to me it was the most dangerous piece in the market, I've seen 4 men lose a part of or a finger on one. My brother worked for Panty Pride in the late 60's he saw many cutters hurt on one of these and a lot of loss fingers. The union in Atlanta made the stores take them out because so many meat cutters were getting hurt on them. Between the Hobart Slant Saw or the Biro-Poultry Cutter, I say the Biro-Poultry Cutter was more dangerous

 

WHAT SAY YOU, you ever seen anyone get hurt on one of these??

 



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July 12, 1988 slant saw lost piece of thumb damage to middle finger and amputation with replant of index finger.

I have seen those cutters and they are nasty.Probably worse than slant saw.

Slant saw only made for 3 years.So many injuries and lawsuits Hobart finally stopped manufacturing.

I eventually went back to cutting meat with a great deal of pain due to nerve damage.Cold got to be unbearsble.

I guess it depended what part of the country you were in as to the outcome of a lawsuit-I lost mine!

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HEYYYY JIM, your WhirlyBird Power Cleaver look anything like this .

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Jim I think it was in 1973 when we were called together on the south side of Atlanta for a demo on a Power Cleaver, that looked like the one above, don't remember the name but think it was Hobart, anyway they had this baby with two loins in it ready to go, when they hit the switch, pork chops went every where like missiles. the Big Shot DM got mad told them to get that **** out of his market and never try to sell him anything like that again. 



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I like that DM
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HEYYYY JIM, your WhirlyBird Power Cleaver look anything like this .

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Jim I think it was in 1973 when we were called together on the south side of Atlanta for a demo on a Power Cleaver, that looked like the one above, don't remember the name but think it was Hobart, anyway they had this baby with two loins in it ready to go, when they hit the switch, pork chops went every where like missiles. the Big Shot DM got mad told them to get that **** out of his market and never try to sell him anything like that again. 

 



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Leon,
I think that might be it, but ours held 6 pork loins (maybe more).  You would freeze the pork loins for 2 hours first.  When you turned it on it flew pork chops everywhere so we would surroundit with empty lugs to catch the chops.  The blade was a good 3 feet in diameter!
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HEYYYY JIM, your WhirlyBird Power Cleaver look anything like this .

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Jim I think it was in 1973 when we were called together on the south side of Atlanta for a demo on a Power Cleaver, that looked like the one above, don't remember the name but think it was Hobart, anyway they had this baby with two loins in it ready to go, when they hit the switch, pork chops went every where like missiles. the Big Shot DM got mad told them to get that **** out of his market and never try to sell him anything like that again. 

 



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I used a slant saw last week, some stores still have them

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Mainemeatman wrote:

I used a slant saw last week, some stores still have them

 And what do you think about them?



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Leon,
I think that might be it, but ours held 6 pork loins (maybe more).  You would freeze the pork loins for 2 hours first.  When you turned it on it flew pork chops everywhere so we would surroundit with empty lugs to catch the chops.  The blade was a good 3 feet in diameter!
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HEYYYY JIM, your WhirlyBird Power Cleaver look anything like this .

photo model39_zps433e18e2.jpg

 

Jim I think it was in 1973 when we were called together on the south side of Atlanta for a demo on a Power Cleaver, that looked like the one above, don't remember the name but think it was Hobart, anyway they had this baby with two loins in it ready to go, when they hit the switch, pork chops went every where like missiles. the Big Shot DM got mad told them to get that **** out of his market and never try to sell him anything like that again. 

 

 That doesn't sound right.  The throwing chops all over the place.  Was it supposed to do that or was it a malfunction?

 It sounds like it was possessed. 



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Well I hated it, but when you have pork on sale and are cutting 30 boxes of pork loins a day, it helped with production. Company policy required bone dust scraping on both sides whether  on sale or not, With the power clever you had no bone dust.  Still it threw out a ton of wedge cuts.  It was the lesser of two evils when pork was on sale and we rarely used it when pork loins were not on sale when we usually only sold 6 boxes per day. The power cleaver was a scary machine.
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 That doesn't sound right.  The throwing chops all over the place.  Was it supposed to do that or was it a malfunction?

 It sounds like it was possessed. 



-- Edited by fdarn on Monday 14th of July 2014 10:50:35 AM

 



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Well I hated it, but when you have pork on sale and are cutting 30 boxes of pork loins a day, it helped with production. Company policy required bone dust scraping on both sides whether  on sale or not, With the power clever you had no bone dust.  Still it threw out a ton of wedge cuts.  It was the lesser of two evils when pork was on sale and we rarely used it when pork loins were not on sale when we usually only sold 6 boxes per day. The power cleaver was a scary machine.
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 That doesn't sound right.  The throwing chops all over the place.  Was it supposed to do that or was it a malfunction?

 It sounds like it was possessed. 



-- Edited by fdarn on Monday 14th of July 2014 10:50:35 AM

 

 Holy Crap.  I thought it was for cutting boneless loins not bone in.  It sounds like  monster. I am glad I never met one.  Do any stores still use them?  I worked in a couple big chains that been around for a long time and I have never seen one.  



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jimhenry2000 wrote:
Well I hated it, but when you have pork on sale and are cutting 30 boxes of pork loins a day, it helped with production. Company policy required bone dust scraping on both sides whether  on sale or not, With the power clever you had no bone dust.  Still it threw out a ton of wedge cuts.  It was the lesser of two evils when pork was on sale and we rarely used it when pork loins were not on sale when we usually only sold 6 boxes per day. The power cleaver was a scary machine.
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 That doesn't sound right.  The throwing chops all over the place.  Was it supposed to do that or was it a malfunction?

 It sounds like it was possessed. 



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 Holy Crap.  I thought it was for cutting boneless loins not bone in.  It sounds like  monster. I am glad I never met one.  Do any stores still use them?  I worked in a couple big chains that been around for a long time and I have never seen one.  

 I don't know if they still use them or not since I left cutting in 1995.  And it WAS a monster. Sometimes if it got unbalanced it wold start "dancing" across the cutting room floor until the power cord was pulled taut. Scary.



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Well I hated it, but when you have pork on sale and are cutting 30 boxes of pork loins a day, it helped with production. Company policy required bone dust scraping on both sides whether  on sale or not, With the power clever you had no bone dust.  Still it threw out a ton of wedge cuts.  It was the lesser of two evils when pork was on sale and we rarely used it when pork loins were not on sale when we usually only sold 6 boxes per day. The power cleaver was a scary machine.
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 That doesn't sound right.  The throwing chops all over the place.  Was it supposed to do that or was it a malfunction?

 It sounds like it was possessed. 



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 Holy Crap.  I thought it was for cutting boneless loins not bone in.  It sounds like  monster. I am glad I never met one.  Do any stores still use them?  I worked in a couple big chains that been around for a long time and I have never seen one.  

 I don't know if they still use them or not since I left cutting in 1995.  And it WAS a monster. Sometimes if it got unbalanced it wold start "dancing" across the cutting room floor until the power cord was pulled taut. Scary.

 Jeez.  i would think with all the rules and regulations today that machine would be banned.  



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It seems to be rare now.  This is the only video I can find and I don't think that is the bad one we are talking about.  



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It seems to be rare now.  This is the only video I can find and I don't think that is the bad one we are talking about.  

 This is similar but the ones we had were bigger and would cut about 6 pork loins at the same time.



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I don't like that design. If I was to reinvent it you would load the loins on the side and spit the chops out a chute. That spinning table on the top is just stupid in my opinion. Who would want to lift a 4 foot long pork loin up there and stand it up.

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Wow-I must be old. I have cut with a Hobart slant saw. When you interviewed and saw one in the market, you kinda made sure interview wasn't great! Scary machine, everything you cut acted like a frozen pig foot and jumped into the blade. Less fatigue on operator in exchange for a finger or three.

 I know.  I had a bad accident cutting a shortloin on a slant saw.  I heard they were recalled but so many were  not returned.





Sorry to hear that-they should have left them in medieval times!

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The Biro poultry cutter on the left is shown with it's safety blade shield, the one on the right side doesen't seem to have one or else you should not be able to see the bolt head in the middle of the cutting blade.  Any machine designed to cut meat comes with an element of operator risk built in, but should always be used as directed  hands below the guide bar http://www.birosaw.com/products/model-bcc-100-poultry-cutter/   I've seen guys rtying to cut one handed or even trying to cut 2 or 3 pieces at the same time  or worse  with a missing or broked blade guard.  

The Hobart slant saw was just a poorly designed, dangerous  saw from day 1   Great in theory and on paper  but a total nightmare in real world operation   much higher than usual rate of injury for several reasons   for anyone still using a slant saw I would recommed using a 4 tooth blade,  less aggressive bite/pull when meat first comes into contact with blade.

The Bettcher power cleaver was another example of good idea - bad performance. They were real nice when they worked correctly , but with 2 high rpm chambers, a giant slicing blade and a rotating table they hardly ever did. I don't know if anyone ever got hurt on one, but they were scary to watch.      

 



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