Unfortunately, income tax records do not provide for a delineation between union and non-union available, nor do they should how many hours worked for the wage.
One can make a reasonable given that the wages hourly are 10% less than is indicated. One can also make a reasonable given that the wages are artificially low. This is for two reasons: 1. Number of hours clocked by many meat-cutters is 37.5 hours/week. 2. Many meat-cutters work an excess of 40 hours/week. Also, one should remember the creative accounting necessitated by the adage, "Do thyself no harm, " as a consequence of the grave-injustice of current tax-codes, a sin that cries to heaven* which is a largely unrecognised result of the Princes of Prussia fiasco of October 31, 1517* when they enlisted the aid of a certain well-known university provost. I digress. Since no two places seem to use the same employment model tracking of the data is kind of knee-capped.
The mean annual wage for California is $30,240/yr The mean hourly wage for California is $14.54/hr
Percentile breakdown is as follows... 10th - $18,450 25th - $21,200 50th - $27,680 75th - $39,610 90th - $46,080
Municipal data regarding meatcutters per 1,000 residents...
Redding 1.61 per 1000 with an annual mean wage of $36,150, $17.38.hr
My $30,907 yearly wage in Massachusetts places me under the 25th percentile state-wide, where the mean meat-cutter earns $39,580/yr.
Although, I live only feet from the county-line of one of the top 10-most expensive counties in the United States, more locally, that same yearly wages places me slightly higher in the percentile.
My county has an average wage of $33,310/yr while a mile down the road the average wage is $41,940/year. I earn $15.85/hour and the closest supermarket over the more-experienced fella is raking in $25/hr straight-time.
County-lines can play tricks like that.
-- Edited by JimmyMac on Sunday 2nd of June 2013 03:57:35 PM
I am new here. I stumbled upon this forum while researching a project I am putting together and I think many of you can help. My post is rather long, so please bear with me. I could really use some help!
I have been the lead meat cutter of a family owned and operated grocery store for the last five years. Although the store has been around for approx. 15 years, the full service meat/seafood department is relatively new and has only been in operation for roughly 6 years.
I am one of two meat cutters in the shop and our shop is one of the few that still breaks carcass meat. I cut all the beef, lamb, pork, goat and fish and my other meat cutter maintains the case on my two days off and helps with misc. tasks on our overlapping days. I also am responsible for ordering all of the raw meat from the local slaughterhouse as well as performing cut tests and calculating prices for both meat and seafood. My manager maintains the other aspects of ordering (deli meats and cheeses, seafood, etc), advertising for the department and all other managerial duties (scheduling, discipline, collaboration with other departments, etc). Clerks are responsible for helping customers (as we are full service), stocking/maintaining the retail deli meat section, grinding meats (burger, sausage) and must have a deep knowledge of cuts and cooking instructions of the meats/seafood we carry. We are a non-union shop.
I am posting this because our wage scale is pitiful. Clerks make minimum wage and cutters barely more. My manager's wages are also pitiful, landing only a dollar or more an hour greater than cutters. Cashiers in the store make roughly the same as cutters. Wage increases are also minimal, and our ceiling is low. As a skilled tradesman (well, actually woman) I feel our skills should be recognized and compensated. I believe the owners of the store are not educated in the knowledge/skill that is required to operate a profitable full service meat/seafood department. I plan to educate them by putting together a presentation that, amongst other things, includes a more appropriate wage scale for the work I/we do. What I am asking from you is some information regarding the wage scale for meat cutters/managers/clerks in California, particularly in Northern California if possible. I would like to know the range, from lowest to highest, union and non-union, small shops to large chains. If you feel comfortable revealing your wages/wage scale, it would be incredibly helpful. If revealing whom you work for is inappropriate, please do not do so but if you feel comfortable with that information, I would be grateful. If you have any other information/resources regarding wage scales, I am all ears! I am putting my ass on the line here for both myself and my department and I want my presentation to be flawless.
In AZ, in a nonunion shop, cutting box beef, I make a little bit more than $18 an hour plus overtime. However on the west coast its complicated. As I understand it, the union has made major concessions in the past few years and had agreed to a "two-tier" pay structure. Older members are grandfathered in to the old pay scale $18-20 an hour for meat cutters BUT new hires top out at about $11 an hour and a different overtime structure. Our non union shop has followed this new structure which is a travesty for our younger members... For us older guys, our wages are froze--no cost of living forever...
Chicago Il union journey men full time depending on when they started for us old timers 21 -22 per hours Sunday is time 1/2 holidays paid if you work the holiday you get paid for the holiday plus time 1/2 newbees arn't as lucky $17-19 as a full time journey man. as a former meat manager is was making over 60.000 per year 3.5 million in sales with 3 full time cutter and 2 wrappers we took car of the lunch meats(oscar mayer ect) all pre packaged stuff 15% of sales guess what a few years after i left the retail sector there looking for people that know the business but there is nobody out there
First I commend you for what you are taking on and wish you success. I spent 28 years in the trade but left the trade and changed careers in 1995 due to declining wages and benefits. I worked in a union shop for a major chain as a Chief Journeyman, which was the contractual title for Meat Dept. Manager. These were fairly high volume operations doing about $100,000/week in fresh meat sales alone, not counting fish, deli, hot dogs, bacon, canned hams, etc. Total store sales were typically $650k to $1 million/week back in the 1980s-90s dollars.
When I left in 1995 I was making about $21/hour plus benefits. While at one time we received triple time on Sundays we were down to time and a half at that time, and double time on holidays. While I felt the wages sucked I musty admit the medical benefits were excellent.
You should be prepared to leave if your presentation is unsuccessful. The problem with meatcutting as a trade is that retail is a brutal business and companies have to stay competitive to survive, and the easiest cost to control is labor.
Its difficult business with labor. Everything depends upon sales and percents. In florida, no unions and wages are low. However some stores do give bonus after profits are made. You have to be creative and if they have been in business for six years they know the profit/loss already. I would concnetrate on bonus money and make sure your loss line is under control. Suggestion go into cooked foods and more value added products such as stuff meats or mariinaded meat. Write a cookbook or menus with cards especially within the season. Good luck.
It's a crying shame that you and your co-workers aren't being paid what you all deserve, especially since you all are breaking down carcasses the old fashioned way, it's much more work and I'm sure the owners of the company wouldn't have a clue where to start. All of our fellow cutters that have replied have given great advice and made good points. I hate to be the devil's advocate, but for us cutters nowadays we're in a sticky situation. More companies are going to the prepacked meats and there is a lower demand for meat cutters than what it used to be. Companies that still have meat cutters in meat departments will try to get as much as possible out of their cutters for as little as possible, and they know that they can get by with it because if the employee was to leave to go to another company or trade more than likely they would make less. Even market managers don't make as much as they deserve. Take for example my market manager has been with us for over two years he has increased sales and profits by 15 to 25% more than what they used to be when the old market manager was with my company, yet he is paid barely over half of what the old market manager was paid. It's the new norm for us now, and now we have to do more with less. Chain stores are the better way to go, there are more opportunities for advancement and they have a more reasonable pay scale. I work for an independent myself but it is a franchise of a larger company, and I reside in the state of NC, I make $11.50 an hour which even in NC isn't much, I've been cutting for 7 years and mentored by journeyman meat cutters and I'm a pretty talented cutter, my market manager even tells me I'm his most talented cutter, but I will say this all that doesn't amount to anything in the eyes of the big bosses for me.
Enough of my ranting on about that, I wish you the best of luck with the presentation, and if it doesn't work out for you with your current company I hope that the right opportunities open for you and hopefully in this line of work.
wow! My heart, back, shoulders and hands go out to you! I ran a meat shop, 65k average per week, 100k on holiday weeks, (just meat, seafood separate dept), 12 employees (because of 52 feet of full service case) and my wages were $1 ph over union scale @23.50 per hour, 2nd man was a buck less than me. journeyman wrapper 19.00, journey counter person was 17.00. that was 5 years ago.
Now that was also boxed beef. I got out of retail cause i wasn't smart enough to be a clipboard manager....i was in there throwing all the loads, cutting, wrapping...whatever it took and blew out my shoulders (wrists and elbows aren't much better).
I commend you for breaking your own beef....couldn't begin to think what kind of wage that would be worth....should be worth way more than what i made.....but a mom and pop shop.....that is a totally different story. I deal with a lot of independent grocery stores....and one thing i have found they have in common (but there is always an exception) is that when it comes to the meat dept, they treat the employees like any trained monkey could do that job. which i have some very choice words for people/managers/owners like that....but have been trying to turn a new leaf, so i wont put those words in print.....
i half agree and disagree with camorrisiii......yes, you could work for the chains....but only do that if you just want to punch a time clock and be a yes man. in my area (Washington) that is all the chains are....carbon copies of each other....no creativity, no thinking outside the box. i think it would kill your spirit to go from what you do now....to being a box butcher at a chain store. yes the pay would be better......and that is fine....i guess it all boils down to what you want out of work?
To me it sounds like you are on the right track....get all your facts correct, ducks in a row, all in writing and good luck to you. If you are half as eloquent in person as you are in writing....you will do great.
also have to agree with jim henry2000....have a back up plan in case the owners do not see your immense value and let you go.....but i can guarantee you they will see it if you leave....and shame on them if they do not have the common sense to see their mistake and get you back.
Well put Shelley, that is a disadvantage of working with a chain store, one reason I left my old company 3 years ago, it was all paperwork and no creative ideas. That is one reason I like the independent that I work for, I will advance with in the next year or so to market manager at a sister store. Ally if you do decide to leave your company, the ideal company would be a mom and pops that have a few stores, you can still be a name and not a number, but still have opportunities for advancement and a reasonable pay scale. It would be a mistake for your company to let you go. I wish you the best of luck, and commend you for what you are doing.
Stay away from chain stores. They have a protocol to follow. You might be the best employee they have but if the lazy jerk has been there longer he will get promoted first.
At same time be wary of independents. They can be easy to work in with less rules but often are struggling and don't have the money to give you a raise if they wanted to. If you are in an independent I would suggest looking for signs that suggest the company overall is doing well and not struggling to stay afloat.
For example the owner of my store is about to open a new store next week. It sounds to me like things are good. I think I will ask for a raise soon. I am due for one.
I disagree with Fdarn chain stores generally pay better they usually have really good benefits that in it self can be worth 2 to 5 bucks an hour...when I was a cutter in a corp store I was makeing 22 as cutter, meat manager 65 k a year, asst store manager 80 k a year....u won't make that in a butcher shop for the most part, it's all on ur area bigger cities pay bigger bucks...
up here in Canada in a union store cutters that have 2500 hours as a meat cutter and can prove it on paper make $23.65 Assistant managers $26.55 and Meat department managers $27.65. Not much difference between an assistant and a manager but the manager makes an extra $100.00 a week in bonus and they also get a yearly bonus. In a non union shop the wage for an experienced cutter is around $18 to $20. Non experienced cutters just starting out will make $15 or $16. As a manager in a non union place I was making $22.00 an hour ( I was new to the industry )that was salary and working 10 hour days it ended up that I was making less than the cutters. I went to a union store as a cutter and made $23.65 an hour...... So it all depends on where you work and what they want to pay.