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I was told: 

Giant grocery a big local chain is cutting all meat cutters Got notice they will be laid off Dec. 26

 There is 147 of these store on the east coast, http://www.giantfood.com/

Anyone heard anything about this ??





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Leon i have worked for Giant they had been doing that for years even BEFORE obama.  Read back on my posting history I have mentioned it many times.

The Giant I worked for started transfering and laying off and demoting to part time and cutting full time benefits in the middle of Bush's Second term.    We went from a 7 cutter 2 wrapper shop to a 2 cutter 1 wrapper shop. then my own hours went from 40 to 16 hours a week and I had to quit.   All this went down in George W. Bush's administration.   



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Wow!  Any idea why?  I do know a cutter who used to work for me works for them now.  I just got back to Michigan tonight from Pennsylvania or I would ask somebody.



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News to me, but wouldn't be surprising. I have heard Kroger will soon be all central cutting operation as well.

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Shortly after I left the business in the mid-90's my employer (Pathmark) went this route. They eliminated most cutters and much equipment in the cutting rooms and went to centralized cutting. It was a BIG mistake!  Surprising that they took that step because previously they took the same step in the deli,going to pre-packaged luncheon meats. The next big thing was big, full-service delis and they got caught with their pants down, They reversed that and brought in big full service Delis and fish. They got burned with the pre-cut meat also and later reversed that too, I heard one thing was the tremendous packing and shipping costs for the pre-cut meats. They had a hard time getting it delivered because much of the wieght was in the packaging and very little tonnage per truck due to that.  They had a real problem getting truckers to deliver because they coudl get so much less on a truckload, most of the load was cardboard and packaging.



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Giant Grocery has done this before... back in 1992.

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Here's a dynamic, that's happening in the industry- the suits that are making these decisions, many did NOT work there way up the ladder as they had in the past, so a bean-counter, or a vp out of a college is making these sweeping decisions- thinking the public doesn't care, a rib eye steak is a rib eye steak, whether its cut on site, or vac sealed and shipped to the store.
Because many making these decisions,,,probly dont eat much meat themselves.
They look at the wal-mart model, and still see customers buying their meat.

Now some chain stores in the last decade have took the position, hey we have meatcutters on site-wal mart does not- however, even doing this they are cutting there own meat dept budgets- look at a chain store meatcase, in many 80% of the case product is pre-cut/wrapped, where 25 years ago , 60-80-% of the case was hard labor fresh meat items

looking from a wise meatcutters perspective- if the industry is going all case - ready, here's what i'd be looking at- look at areas/locations with population or traffic count , and if the area has no fresh butcher shops, then i'd start studying how to open one..
you dont need a ten thousand squ ft place or half a million dollars to open one..
ive seen some open with 1500 squ feet- with low equipment costs and low expenses, just have the full service case- you are now the fresh butcher/meatcutter of the area- you friend up the town on facebook, you push freezer plans and truckload meat sales-all flyers you can make up on your own computer... then you blitz your marketing area with "value statements" the only butcher shop in town, the only store selling fresh cut meats, the only store grinding fresh beef trimmings for burger. we welcome special orders, support a local fresh business, we make our own sausage ons ite- these statements hit home with woman shoppers, you can easily become a niche' market-even if you are very small-nowadays you can sell from pictures on a computer- couldnt do that years ago.

you want cheap equipment? start looking on craigslist, put a search in for hobart, for grinders, cubers and scales.
Ive seen meatcutters do this, and open there own place.
Here's a basic and very simple model...
today, there are many many vacant commercial store fronts in most areas
find an area on the other side of town of chain stores, or heavy traffic flow areas.
say you do 10,000 a week, to some this seems like a drop in the bucket, to some, its still alot, depends on where you are
10k/week is 40k month, then back down to 10k gross margin (conservatively 25% g. margin) for expenses
take out rent/lease
then comes payroll, insurance, utilities, advertising, etc, see whats left

after expenses, this is what you earn, so if expenses are 3k a month you
earned 7k, if expenses are 5k a mnth, you earned 5k.
now that 10k projected sales per week can be 15k, which equals 45k mnth then back to 15k(at 25% margin)
then start taking expenses off 15k ,,,then project whats left after expenses

facebook, allows you to friend up a town with thousands of friends or likes, and there's your advertising- and it works.

You have to wear many hats owning your own business- it's never easy, but it seems like the industry trends are going to produce market voids for specialty shops, and this is where meatcutters can start making there own path.

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I don't know anything about this but I know about this, http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-companies-cut-hours-and-jobs-to-dodge-obamacare/article/2510268

If you want to know how Obamacare will affect future U.S. employment, look no further than this week's Orlando Sentinel report on Darden Restaurants -- the company that owns popular chains like the Olive Garden and Red Lobster. Currently, all 185,000 Darden employees are offered health insurance, but that's about to change, thanks to Obamacare.

Obamacare fines large companies that fail to offer health insurance to their full-time employees. This would not be a problem for Darden, except that many of its employees have affordable health plans whose coverage is not robust enough to fulfill the requirements of Obamacare's individual mandate. Such plans are popular with restaurants, whose profit margins tend to be small, because they let employers offer benefits at a very reasonable cost. But such plans have coverage limits and other features that Obamacare bans, so they will likely be discontinued beginning in 2014, if not sooner.

And so in order to avoid paying fines or buying massively more expensive health plans that are Obamacare-compliant, Darden is now experimenting with limiting its employees' hours instead. By keeping workers to fewer than 30 hours per week, Darden can categorize them as "part-time." Thus, the company avoids the Obamacare fines and leaves employees to the new government health insurance exchanges, where they may receive subsidies to purchase insurance. At least two other restaurant chains -- White Castle and McDonald's -- are considering similar plans.

So to sum up, Obamacare is leading to fewer hours worked, less tax revenue for the government and bigger government subsidies for health insurance for people who were already insured in the first place. If enough companies do this, Obamacare will become a massive dead weight on the federal budget, even as it does little more than shuffle people from one insurance plan to another, whether they like it or not. The Congressional Budget Office estimates, at the high end, that 20 million workers could see their health plans dropped thanks to Obamacare.

That's how Obamacare will affect the restaurant industry, beginning in 2014. The medical device industry, which is far more closely connected to health care, only has until this January before it is hit with a 2.3 percent industrywide excise tax. Medical device makers have been cutting back in anticipation of the tax. Cook Medical Inc., an Indiana-based manufacturer, announced this summer it was canceling plans to build five plants that would have employed about 1,500 people. Those would have all been manufacturing jobs -- the kind of jobs that President Obama keeps saying he wants to create, but then keeps smothering through his grand agenda.

These are just two examples of industries where there will be less work and workers will be hurt, all because of Obamacare, should its provisions go into effect. Voters should take notice - Obamacare may soon be reaching out to disrupt your job

 

I think we all need to pray that our companies don't start thinking this way, I really don't want to have to work two 29 hour jobs



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 I think we can be looking for the same in our business, My Cousin is a manager at Fresh & Easy grocery chain, they have 150 stores in California, Fresh & Easy has most of it employees working part-time now, with its stores changing many of their workers’ schedules week to week.  In my cousins store he has 22 employees all are now part-time except for the five managers. workers make $10.90 an hour, and with workweeks averaging 28 hours,  yearly pay equals $16,500. most are now on food stamps to help them meet family needs. 

 

 Fresh & Easy use sophisticated software that tracks the flow of customers, allowing managers to assign just enough employees to handle the anticipated demand. they now schedule shifts as short as two or three hours, workers come in at the last minute, and the workers risk losing their jobs or being assigned fewer hours in the future if they are unavailable. 



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I came across this a few days ago, think it might fit here.

Could your family survive on $505 a week?” If only I could make HALF that much! The dirty secret is McDonalds needs to add 50,000 workers to increase the headcount in every store. The goal is to have no full-time employees who qualify for health benefits. So these 50,000 jobs will pay $174 a week BEFORE taxes, and have no benefits, no vacation days, no holidays off, call in sick and get fired, but they will have 52 mandatory weekends each year.
And how do I know this? I work for a national restaurant chain that already has gone to a part-time only policy. I am scheduled for 23 hours next week. The threshold for benefits is 26 hrs.

I know where I live what few ads for jobs, most everyone says part time only



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This was posted by mcgrose1 on the side chat board, I moved it here so it doesn't get loss,

yes isnt that terrible i took my formal apprenticeship there in 1993. they are paying them half the week as a meat wrapper right now. there is stil some 1st & 2nd tier guys and gals there now


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It is a centralised cutting thing. That is what I was thinking on my drive home today.


The department that I work in is 70% pre-pack. Our sales, I do not know, but I know that storewide is $1.5M to $1.7M on any given week outside of holidays and big weekends.


Mainmeatman is right. A fella doesn't need a huge place. It would be great to have a custom-harvest and production facility (1 day per week) attached to a small retail grocery (5 and one-half days per week). I got so many cuts packed into the back of my brain that I would love to do.

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1.5 to 1.7 million in sales per week is big business

thats also alot of volume in the meat dept....when I left the chain store, meat dept were around 12% of store sales distribution,,,produce was 10%-when I started meat dept sales were 25 % of store sales

now i think produce beats meat in many large chain stores


Ive heard some market baskets in new england do that much volume,,, stopnshop has some large volume stores also
as does hannaford. Wegman's has moved around boston,,,,havent been in one,,,but hear they are beautiful stores

as one fella said- the more business the big boys do, the more their is to draw from- if opening a butcher shop








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it could very well be something that is coming.

 

Employers are weighing a lot of options in advance of 2014, and cutting back hours is just one, said Jeanne Wyand, a senior consultant at Towers Watson, which advises companies on employee benefits. "Reducing hours is an option that hasn't gotten a lot of traction at the moment but I would expect that to be a real consideration," especially for retail, restaurant and grocery chains, she said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/health-care-reform-part-time-work_n_1952455.html



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guess we wouldn't find this out of line then.

35% of Butchers, Meat Cutters and Fishmongers - Retail and Wholesale are employed only on a part-time basis. There were 59,700 workers employed in these occupations in 2011, an increase of 117% since 1997.



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I work for Shop n Save, and all six of our stores the cutters work 45 hrs a week. Sometimes more if one of us has a madness sale! So this is news to me. Sorry for those who's hrs have been cut or layed off. But this is the time of year where it's a meat cutters nightmare of 3 months of hell! Thanks giving, Christmas and New years! Wish everyone well and good luck...

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When I worked for independents we typically did a 20% cut of total store volume in meat, but at Pathmark the big chain we did about a 10 to 12% cut. My meat dept did about $80k to $120k in fresh meat per week in stores that did $800k to $1 million per week back in the 80s.  Since then they have cut so many hours I doubt they do near that any more even with inflated dollars. 

Great tips on starting your own shop!  Just know your market.  Some neighborhoods I have worked in, the people will shop 5 or 6 stores every week just buying loss leaders. However I have also worked in areas where the clientele is actually willing to pay a little more for quality and service.



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So KY Lady Cutter, you're not working as a cutter right now?



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Giant grocery a big local chain is cutting all meat cutters Got notice they will be laid off Dec. 26

 There is 147 of these store on the east coast, http://www.giantfood.com/

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http://www.centralpennbusiness.com/article/20120907/CPBJ01/309069995&source=RSS




 



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Food lion is closing their large warehouse near Santee SC and also closing more stores in our area.


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closing more foodlions??? oh christ,,,their goes my del haize stocks...

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Club member Mike Smollon shuts down Annapolis butcher shop 

Mike Smollon My Butcher and More

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Mike Smollon of My Butcher and More shut down his business in October. He opened it in 2004 and moved to Annapolis in 2009.

 

Mike Smollon blames the weather and economy for the closure of his business.

Business fell 25 percent between the spring and summer, forcing him to close, he said. He shuttered the shop Oct. 25.

He has been running into past customers and telling them about the closure. “(One customer) hadn’t been in there in many months because her husband lost his job. That’s the gist of a lot of people’s lives — less income and less confidence in the economy.”



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So I guess this reort is false?  I haven't seen anything here or elsewhere to substantiate it.



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There is a Wegman's here about a mile from my house.

It is a good looking store. Pretty much every meat there is pre-packed. They do carry some Kobe. The rumour here is that there are no full-time cutters just a enough to cut some high end stuff.

 

The cheese section and the deli dep't is out of this world. It is a real draw to bring in the bucks. They also do a 99cent EBT section to draw the government sponsored customers.



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Your Jimmy Wegmans does that and they are payed crappy Western NY wages not boston wages I was one of there last full time clerks (and last to work overtime)in there central meat cutting facility where I was a head cleark. they are known for helthcare for there employees then useing it as a reason to treat there workers like dirt

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