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I talked with two recruiters yesterday, both from major companies, both told me they just can't find meat cutters any more. I ask both about in store training programs, both told me they couldn't get enough people in the stores that wanted to come into the market to train.

Both agreed with me we paying the price of dealing with box beef LOL Both agrees that something has to be done about the shortage of cutters, a lot of their markets are running over time to keep their markets running. some cutters getting 8 to 10 hours a week.

 

So what are we going to do about the shortage ?? I have been running messages about cutting schools, grants to help take them with. I try to make our site a place where young cutters can pick up information, ask questions, I get e-mails every week from young cutters asking questions that want join the site but come on it and look, read what we have. they say it helps them but most say they just doing it till things get better and they can find a better job.

 

I think i'm fixing to talk with the schools and see just how we could push them, how we can reach out to those that have no job and see if we can get some young people interested in our Trade.

 

Your thoughts & opinions on this problem would be appreciated.



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I think companies need to pay their people more first off. On my days off I have a Clerk/Cutter doing my job for almost half the pay. Kroger doesn't want to have to pay journey man pay. I have two guys interested in learning to cut and I want to train them, but they don't want to cut for 8 bucks an hour.

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When I retired the company hired 3 people to take my place for less than what I made a year. The problem is young folks will not work any lengyh of time for that ammount of $$$$$$

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That is a good question,Leon! I ask the same question,on the Forum when I first join the site,and I have received a few very interesting answers. This is the end of our trade? Everything seems to be in that direction! I have trained to boys to became a butcher,one he finished ,the another one,after one year,start a different apprenticeship,to became a carpenter. He told me very clear," I to work 3 years for 8 dollars an hour,when I can work for 15,and why to have a salary of 40000 a year after I finished my apprenticeship,when I can make 65000 the first year like a carpenter? I think that is the answer,Leon! Sad,but it's the true!

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i would be willing to switch companies if there was an opening in my area...


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Yes to all above. If you wanted SKILLED TRADESMEN you can't pay chicken **** wages.

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the question i raise is this. how many meat cutters are going to be needed in the industry 5, 10, 20 and 30 years from now?some companies want to go the Walmart route( i can name a one in particular) and some have gone that road only to turn back. either way it is a dilemma that needs addressed.



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My company was to have a cutting seminar with district meat supervisor for all new hires, basicly go to a store and cut their case that was supposed to happen a year ago, never did.I guess they are busy putting out fires else where. We are short handed and working 6 days (ten straight for me) no days off for MM. We do have a few assoc that would want to move into meat, but They may not be ideal canidates or managment not willing to incurr the exrta hours to train them ? We have a young man that has been in the meat dept for almost two years he is given very little block time he cut his first bone in pork loin last week . they are just not giving the hours to the dept. When I go in later today I will be a couple of hours behind when I walk in the door.

but its going to be a great day why ? Because I get to cut meat

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I agree with most of the others. PAY UP! With that being said Meat cutters are a special breed. Cutting meat is a small part of our job at the retail level at least. Not only do you need to have a very strong work ethic, you need to have a good memory, communication skills, hand eye coordination, be business savvy, posses strong customer service skills, understand food safety, be a novice chef, and many more. On top of all that you need to find someone who doesn't mind working in cold conditions, frequently lifting 70 + lbs and doesn't think touching meat is (icky).

We used to have a meat cutting school here in MN, I have worked with a few guys that were trained there. It is no longer in operation not just because of the lack of interest but also because the state requires that they need to teach take other college classes. If a person is interested in being a meat cutter, it's pretty safe to say that they don't have a desire or the book smarts to be a doctor, engineer, architect, ect. I would start looking towards the local 4-H and FFA groups. These people already have a mindset that will allow them to be cutters. You could go out and talk to the leaders of these groups and see what they have to say.


I think a big problem is these cooperations don't value there employes enough. A lot of companies seek out that employee that started there in high school didn't go to college, and now is undecided on what to do with his/her life. They then try to groom them into a cutter from a green horn, because it's cheaper. Why work for $9- $11 dollars an hour when you can go get a job in the construction business making $14+ to start.


What they need to do is sit down with these people and explain to them the opportunities meat cutting can offer. Show them the pay levels for each position and set a series of goals. They should also set reviews every 6 months and offer significant pay raises when the employee achieves the goals at each tier. That way within one to two years they are making 15-16 dollars an hour.

Anyhow thats what I think.

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In my company its not a matter of time to train its trying to get trained is a whole process in itself, so, in my own efforts to rise to a meatcutter status ive had to take it upon myself to find willing people to train me.

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Can't answer for you guys ,but on reading some replys it seems to be the wages.
Over here youngsters are going for the building trades and highly paid desk jobs in IT and the like.
What's needed is colleges to start courses,but they only do catering which is the nearest thing to our trade.
My youngest son went into catering ,yet when I ask him about his meat training , he hasn't a clue.
I want to try to get him to work with me ,again he doesn't seem intrested . I will have to sell my shop when I retire as my kids are not interested in the meat trade.





I blame those bloddy veggies.

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Meat Monkey has it right on!!!!

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Although pay plays a major role in keeping a meat cutter, I have found that the evenings, weekends and holidays cause more trainees and damn near meat cutters to seek employment elsewhere. I have been in this long enough to remember 7 paid holidays a year, closed at 6 five nights a week and not open at all on Sunday. Now we have no paid holidays to offer, busier on Sunday than any other day and open late every night. Would you choose this profession now?

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I have found that Corporation management seems to like the idea that an employee makes so much money without a college education. Plus when the slaughterhouses busted the unions and started hiring people willing to work for a low wage (ex: Mexicans and Asians both legal and illegal). Kroger is very guilty of this thinking, if they are going to pay you 14-15 dollars an hour, you are going to the work of 3 people till they move completely to gas and chemical filled prepackaged meat. After 6 years working for a Kroger store, I got tired of their thinking and games, I quit 2 months ago and hoping to find something again in the field. My physical and mental health has greatly improved. Wages need to improve, cutters need to be treated like human-beings, and I don't know what to do about the segment accepting lower wages, but we could be a dying breed and the public needs to scream! I am a second generation meat cutter, and enjoy cutting meat more than any other job I have done in my life. Thanks everyone

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Corporations will continue these practices Hunter. The worst part is that we are selling each other out. NJ is a hot mess right now. 2011 Christmas and Thanksgiving I must have worked 70 hrs each week. And it is not appreciated. The guys in charge getting ready to retire want that last big incentive check. They are desensitized. Forgot what is like to put together the freezing cold grinder parts at 5am. Getting slammed by 3 customers at once right before an order deadline.

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What if they had meat cutting in the high schools..like they do mechanics or cooking...college ain't for everyone I think a high school coop is a great start

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It's all about the money. When you can look at a potential prospect in the eye and say, "Son (or ma'am), cutting meat will earn you a solid living," only then will the trade become what it used to be.

Meat cutters know they aren't going to get rich, but not one of them wants to be poor. No one wants to live at the poverty level. $30,000 ($14.42 an hour, 40 hour work week) used to be the standard for a decent living, but if you live in a metro area, you know that barely gets you by. Prices on everything, primarily groceries, are going up. Gas is insane, and it's about to get a lot worse. Insurance is horrible. And companies want to pay someone $8 an hour? Seriously? Even $12 ($24,960/year) an hour isn't much. What burns me up the most is upper management complaining about labor, while they're taking home 6-figure salaries. You've got to give a little to get a little.

Is it too much to ask a make a salary ONE PERSON can live on, a retirement plan you can retire on, and insurance that won't take 10% of your check? Until management comes down off their high horse and realize you have to pay someone if you want to keep them, things will continue to get worse. And then, and only then, will you be able to pick and choose the cutters you want to keep.

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FWIW, it's my opinion that an experienced meat cutter should make around $38,000 to $45,000 a year depending on location and years at the current company. This might be your third man, the guy the 2nd man relies on.

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I think the main reason why the employment potential is good in most local areas is due to a limited supply of workers, an aging workforce and average local demand and a national shortage.  These national shortages are the result of two factors: 1. there are very few meat cutting programs remaining in the USA and 2. many butchers/meat cutters are at or near retirement with an average age of 50. As these butchers retire, the vacancies are projected to continue to increase, creating positions for managers, assistant managers and meat cutters.



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Companies need to stop the trend toward the central processing. We're discontinuing a few things in our area starting next month, and our coordinator claims it will more than likely be slowly phased out over the next couple of years. We think he's blowin smoke, but customers really arent happy with the stuff.

Some things that would help immensely in my opinion. 1. Make a graduated apprenticeship structure. Test every 3 months, and for each level passed a pay increase. I'm essentially stuck at 9.76 an hour til I pass my test, even though I'm more proficient than 75% of the journeyman they have put through in the past 5 years. This would encourage folks to stick with it.

2. Realize it's labor intense, and give hours accordingly. For us, it's damn hard when we have 1 clerk who's tied up at the counter, and we're cutting/wrapping/running. I can be called lots of things, but lazy isn't one of em, so I think the workload might be discouraging for someone with less of a stomach for hard work.

3. A trend away from centralized processing (again just some chains), with an emphasis on the aging workforce now in the field, and promoting fast advancement. We have about 10-12 guys fixing to retire in the next 5 years in a 12 store area. It's a strong possibility I'll have my own shop, or at least be a backup by the time all those guys retire.


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Part of the shortage problem can be blamed on the stigma out there about training in the Meat Department
People have heard the horror stories about rouge managers and all the crap the apprentices went through

I myself got a meat hook in my bottom from a manager that was "just joking around"
I also had one of my apprentices (about 10 years ago) run off by a meat manager who would throw his trayed meat at him if he did it wrong (this was done while he was on the saw and from 20 feet away)

Yes the younger generation does not want to work as hard as we do in the meat dept. for the most part, but they don't realize it's just a few hours of really hard work every day and then we joke around and have a good time in the cutting room

we also need to stop our cutters and wrappers from bitching about how hard they got it. First we have to make it easier for them but taking some of the weight off their shoulders. Cutters can do more then cut. I wrap, price and fill and wait on customers too

Right now I have 5 apprentices under me and my cutters and they work their asses off. But they also have learned you can have a good time while you do it so they have stuck it out and are asking if there are openings for their friends now


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we also have to stop the bleeding of our hours in our departments.
We need hours to get things done and to keep a fair workload on everyone


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I didn't read every post, but some of you are talking about money. That's the answer. Money. A lot of it is our own fault. At least in my area I mean. For 20+ years we've been accepting worse and worse contracts. But in a sneaky way. A way that doesn't directly affect us (unless you change employers or quit and come back). Each new contract we agree to things like two tier pay scales. Lower rates for new hires. In some cases the new hires will NEVER top out where we are. I'm specifically referring to meat wrappers. I guess they're not even called that anymore. They're all "clerks" and these clerks are at the third level. Below the original wrapper rate and still again below the second tier for wrappers. There's a 4 year apprenticeship now instead of 2. Why 4 years when they don't even cut much meat anymore? The reason why is money of course. And they hope the apprentice will quit before becoming journeyman so that they can continue getting cheap help. It takes longer to acquire full benefits. Again, another reason for the company to have a revolving door to keep getting new people in and keep getting rid of people who have a decent amount of seniority. Safeway, likes to make it almost impossible for someone to keep their job. At Safeway, your main concern each moment is not to get fired. 4 of my coworkers were fired from Safeway. It takes longer to get holiday pay. I think for your first year, you only get a dollar extra instead of proper holiday pay. Still another reason to fire and hire. I would strongly discourage any young person (in my area) from becoming a meat cutter as a career. It's a good way to put yourself through school IF you can arrange the hours, but that's almost impossible. Most married cutters I know have a spouse that makes more money than them. Each contract we agree to allow more and more pre cut items. Managers trying to save on labor want clerks. This is a double edge sword. It's good for your own labor, but try quitting and getting a new job. Why should they hire you when clerks can do it cheaper? The funny thing is that even I was warned about this way back in 1978. As a clean up boy the boss warned me "learn the trade, but don't make it your life's work". He meant it could be a back up plan, but I really ought to find something better.


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BigBeef, man I'm lucky. Nothing but encouragement from my bosses. I've heard stories though. One involved a particularly bad cut, and a nail.

As a whole, I think people my age are lazy whiners. I had a couple people try to get me fired/demoted to clerk, because they felt I jumped ahead of them or somethin. Really the reason I got promoted was, I worked hard, learned things I didn't need to (Grinds, some basic cuts by hand, ordering). I took initiative and was rewarded.

Most people my age also tend to look down their noses at what's perceived as "dirty work." "I should be sittin in a desk somewhere, doing somethin productive is for someone else." There needs to be some massive PR pushing the importance of this type of work (and companies willing to provide it) in order to bring some respect back to the trades, especially before all the people that have the knowhow in these fields are gone.

I may have gone a little broader in scope there, but it applies to meat cutting as well as several other fields.

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 'They don't want to work nights," " they don't want to work in the cold ", they don't want to work weekends,"  "they don't want to start at 8.00 a hour,"

Well, that's what a meat cutter does and that's not going to change."



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