I know I know I know Im opening a HUGE can of worms here but I honestly think it needs to be opened and Im curious about my fellow cutters take on the topic...Here we go...WHY WHY does ones gender matter....Southern Bell and Femalecutter touched on it in the annoying question of the week...Because they were female it was assumed they did not cut but wrapped and stocked..Im again not retail but I have a TON of issues because of my gender from pay to not being taken seriously ect...I was even told never let them see you cry?! Ummm pardon? Honestly? lol Everyday I see my male co-workers getting angry throwin things cussing ect (having a hissy fit) no one bats an eye...A female worker does it and she's emotional?! Just wondering how our plumbing effects our capabilities...I realize this industry has been and still is a male dominated industry (the sites user list shows that with the male/female ratio) and people still have a hard time seeing us out of the kitchen with shoes on informed..educated...and skilled lol (that was sarcasim in a tongue n cheek kinga way :D) So anyone with some insite in this please please do tell..lol
Lena, I am an oldtimer 30 plus years cutting and managing markets, I have trained cutters, retrained cutters, and at this time I have a female Right Hand " Man " that I would confidently match up with any other that I have worked with. I think that the biggest problem is upper management not having the confidence in a females ability, because too few meat managers will tell thier owners or upper management how well they are doing. I can assure you that I am not one of those and I do praise her as she can work side by side with anyone and probably do a better job! You keep pushing to learn as much as you can and do everything as well as you can and you will find someday hatt gender will not get in your way!
I can tell you this I have worked with some very good female meat cutters who i have alot of respect for. but I have also worked with some very bad females cutters who i do not have much professional respect for. however the same goes for the male meat cutters. I have worked with plenty of male cutters young and old who i was impressed with and worked with just as many young or OLD who i wanted out of the dept. I don't think age, or gender has anything to do with the quality of workmanship a cutter will put out.
Right now I have an older guy who cuts on my days off. he is my backup cutter. he works two days and I am very disappointed with his workmanship. I am literally depressed when i come back after my 2 days off and see what he did this time. now this is what really gets to me. people think he is my boss. customers will say where is the old guy he knows what he is doing. (uh no he doesn't). the guy likes to tell us he used to own his own market. I wonder why it didn't last. he is not a good cutter. (i am sorry if he happens to be a member here but ia m going to say it anyway). but people think he is because he is old and ia m younger. ia m 34 and he is 66 so therefore he knows what he is doing and i am the amatuer. I guess my point is even some of us men are feeling like some of you women do. we feel like we have to prove we know what we are doing because for some reason customers got it in their head that a cutter should be elderly and wise looking. I am sure that is true in most cases but from my experience alot of those old and wise looking male cutters are complete idiots, but don't get me wrong some of them are the best cutters i ever worked with
I think in a way i feel your pain. I think until i fill out more and i have some gray hairs showing I am not going to be taken very seriously by some customers.
-- Edited by fdarn on Friday 16th of September 2011 05:10:00 PM
i worked with women that are great cutters and men that were great cutters and women and men that both sucked pluming dont matter to me just if you can cut you good and fast
It took me a few years to be accepted by the men, after they found out I would work and not let them have to carry me, it was cool. but when I get a smart ass male that ask you can cut meat ??? I love to look and them, smile and say, in more ways than one, give them a wink and say you want to find out ?? if you do i'll bring my knifes
I have only worked with one female cutter. I hired her into the company we both work for now. Her name is Amanda and she goes by femalecutter96 on here. I hired her in as a part time cutter/wrapper and when the time came for her to take a full time position at one of our other stores it was a bitter sweet moment. I hated to see her go but was happy to see her get a full time first cutter position that she deserved. If all my employees (male or female) were as hard working and dedicated as Amanda is my job would be alot easier.
I actually apprenticed the first female cutter for a company I worked for she was my wrapper and would do that so fast she started trimming and boating for me she wanted to learn and I was willing to teach her
I also then promoted the first female meat manager for that same company a few years later
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Joe Parajecki
Operations Manager/ Partner
Kettle Range Meat Company, Milwaukee WI
Member Meat Cutter Hall of Fame and The Butcher's Guild
I have only worked with one female cutter. I hired her into the company we both work for now. Her name is Amanda and she goes by femalecutter96 on here. I hired her in as a part time cutter/wrapper and when the time came for her to take a full time position at one of our other stores it was a bitter sweet moment. I hated to see her go but was happy to see her get a full time first cutter position that she deserved. If all my employees (male or female) were as hard working and dedicated as Amanda is my job would be alot easier.
Aww Thanks Keith That meant alot! Im going thru the old post I have not seen on here and just came across this. You were the best manager Ive ever worked under!
You're not alone. Lots of people get disrespected for no good reason.
To me, all cutters are good until they prove otherwise. I've worked with lots of women. No difference from men. Good ones and bad ones.
It matters to some stupid customers. I have had at least one stupid customer assume I don't know anything about meat. Until my mid 30's, I always looked a lot younger than my true age. When I was 24 and had been cutting for about 6 years already, I looked about 19 and was skinny. About 5'11" and 125 lbs. A customer rang the bell. I came out to answer it. Know what she said? "Oh, you probably can't answer my question. Isn't there anyone older than you back there?" All she wanted was pork back fat. And yes, I knew 6 years before that what it was. She upset me. I know how you feel. We have customers where I work (a tint tiny percentage) who think cutters of a certain race will be more knowledgeable about meat than the other certain race.
One time I had to go to another store in my chain for just one day. I was 21 or 22. After working about 1 hour I overheard the manager and 2nd man making remarks about how surprised they were that I was doing a great job. "he didn't look that good" (or something like that). Back then when a new cutter came to the store I was never surprised when they asked "are you a journeyman?" before even working with me for one minute.
It's not just plumbing. It's young age, old age, tattoos, a persons face, and other things.
What about this?: A lady meat clerk who I know well is just like the people you're talking about. She has a crappy old car. She goes to the parts store sometimes for a part that she has a friend install. She will NOT talk to a lady at the parts counter. She thinks she'll get bad advice from a woman. Can you imagine that? A lady meat clerk thinks women can't give reliable advice.
-- Edited by Burgermeister on Saturday 24th of September 2011 08:58:18 AM