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A young member wrote me and ask,  I would like to learn percentages, such as labor, gross, etc.. When I hear we did 20%  of sales for a Thursday,
 which is a slow day for us, I'm like ? My team leader doesn't want to take the time to show me and I would like to move up with the company.
 
Since I've been retired for over 3 years I may give him the wrong answers as I don't know what labor is set on now or what gross companies look for.


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That means 20% of the stores sales for thursday came from the meat dept.

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Sales mix percentages tell you how much each department in your store contributes to total store sales. The sales mix for each department is calculated by dividing your department sales by the total store sales.

Example 100,000 in store sales divided by 20,000 in meat sales equals a 20% sales mix of total store sales.



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so now you have the formula.... the next question is ...."is that a good percentage or a bad one?" that all depends on what kind of store you are in. back in the day when i managed, 10%-12% was really good for the meat dept on a regular basis. seafood was a separate dept and the rest of the stores dept were also very strong. now being in wholesale i have noticed that Hispanic stores have very high meat dept sales and center store is very low. so 18%-22% for a Hispanic market is the norm (Hispanic stores have strong perishable dept, meat, produce, bakery & dairy. they do not shop center store much)

see if the manager will give you some copies of previous weeks/months of sales info. you can also look on line for books or info on "supermarket math" . hope that helps

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Shelley wrote:

so now you have the formula.... the next question is ...."is that a good percentage or a bad one?" that all depends on what kind of store you are in. back in the day when i managed, 10%-12% was really good for the meat dept on a regular basis. seafood was a separate dept and the rest of the stores dept were also very strong. now being in wholesale i have noticed that Hispanic stores have very high meat dept sales and center store is very low. so 18%-22% for a Hispanic market is the norm (Hispanic stores have strong perishable dept, meat, produce, bakery & dairy. they do not shop center store much)

see if the manager will give you some copies of previous weeks/months of sales info. you can also look on line for books or info on "supermarket math" . hope that helps


 When I worked for a chain of independents, my dept. typically did 25% of store sales.  However these were small stores typically doing only $80,000 to $150,000 per week. Seafood, lunch meats, canned hams, bacon and hot dogs were part of the meat dept. When I went to Pathmark, my department's cut was 11 to 12 %, but the stores were much larger with large non foods departments, and seafood lunch meats, canned hams, etc were not part of the meat departments sales. Typical Pathmark store volume back then was $800,000 to $1.2 million per week.



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if you are a store that sells gas or hard liquor, many stores will back these out first..


payroll % = payroll dollars divided by total dept sales

supply % = supply costs divided by total dept sales

gross margin % = sales - purchases= gross profit dollars, gross profit dollars divided by total dept sales=gross margin %


sales per man/earned hour= total dept sales divided by hours used



mark-up= a measure of profit based off costs

gross margin= a measure of profit based off sales


always go with margin, not mark up

for ex pork tenderloin costs you 2.40, you want a 30% margin, what is the retail?

mark-up would be 2.40x1.30=3.12lb

margin would be 2.40 divided by .70 =3.43 (formula is.... cost divided by (100-desired margin) =retail

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Beer and wine always skews the per cent. It also depends on how many dept,s. You have in the store. My company starts new stores out with a labor budget of about 10-11 percent of your dept. sales then generally cuts back as the store grows. We do 11 plus in our store per cent without beer and wine. Seafood is separate and they do about 7-8 percent of the store sale so if it's seafood and meat combined 20 percent is about right

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We recently received our end of year s and p report. It has our over head, insurance, wages, net/gross profit, and finally our companies estimated net profits. I have been told a lot of what I would call beating around the bush on what our dept needs in order to meet our bonus(company's est.net profit), which is only for the dept head anyway. We were roughly 15000 away from hitting the estimate. (I wish I would have just thrown this sheet away because after looking at it with my boss his attitude for the day was shot.) Now I'm a green horn to life but where does the $330000 net profit after everything is paid(at least that is what the sheet says)go to. I'm sure sometimes to company dividends, but where else? Not us, our dept head bonus would be 10%, which I have been assured will never happen so can anyone answer this. We don't get any profit sharing, no rona or even drip plans. So... anyone? I've asked store managers, and field merchandisers, haven't worked the gaul up to ask a DM yet, all I get is what's that or you don't need to know. So... please if anyone can answer I would really appreciate it.



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thenigno wrote:

We recently received our end of year s and p report. It has our over head, insurance, wages, net/gross profit, and finally our companies estimated net profits. I have been told a lot of what I would call beating around the bush on what our dept needs in order to meet our bonus(company's est.net profit), which is only for the dept head anyway. We were roughly 15000 away from hitting the estimate. (I wish I would have just thrown this sheet away because after looking at it with my boss his attitude for the day was shot.) Now I'm a green horn to life but where does the $330000 net profit after everything is paid(at least that is what the sheet says)go to. I'm sure sometimes to company dividends, but where else? Not us, our dept head bonus would be 10%, which I have been assured will never happen so can anyone answer this. We don't get any profit sharing, no rona or even drip plans. So... anyone? I've asked store managers, and field merchandisers, haven't worked the gaul up to ask a DM yet, all I get is what's that or you don't need to know. So... please if anyone can answer I would really appreciate it.

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Is this a privately owned or publicly held company? Do they tell you what is included in the overhead.  Certainly a big chunk of the rent and utilities will be allocated back to the meat dept. but they may be included in the over head. Also taxes?  What ever you pay in income and FICA taxes must be matched by the employer...


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We recently received our end of year s and p report. It has our over head, insurance, wages, net/gross profit, and finally our companies estimated net profits. I have been told a lot of what I would call beating around the bush on what our dept needs in order to meet our bonus(company's est.net profit), which is only for the dept head anyway. We were roughly 15000 away from hitting the estimate. (I wish I would have just thrown this sheet away because after looking at it with my boss his attitude for the day was shot.) Now I'm a green horn to life but where does the $330000 net profit after everything is paid(at least that is what the sheet says)go to. I'm sure sometimes to company dividends, but where else? Not us, our dept head bonus would be 10%, which I have been assured will never happen so can anyone answer this. We don't get any profit sharing, no rona or even drip plans. So... anyone? I've asked store managers, and field merchandisers, haven't worked the gaul up to ask a DM yet, all I get is what's that or you don't need to know. So... please if anyone can answer I would really appreciate it.



-- Edited by thenigno on Friday 24th of January 2014 08:57:55 PM

im not an accountant, so take this free advice for what its worth


ebit
is earnings before interest and taxes
interest and taxes are not treated as an expense for tax purposes


there are items that come out of net profits

budgets for capital improvements , budgets for renovations, budgets for new equipment, etc


net earnings and net profits, remember , corporations get double taxed, so many businesses drive down net profits, as not to give it to the government- they will also buy equipment , new company vehicles, etc, as to not report as net profits,,,again to avoid heavy taxation,,,not to give to the government

as someone else stated, dividends, reinvestments, budgets for futute expenditures, may all come after net profits.

if they are considered capital gains,,,then they are taxed heavily ..


i also learned figures dont lie, but lyers figure- they can manipulate numbers in so many different way- net profit can be parlayed into future cash flows, net earnings, and on and on




years ago as a meat manager for a chain store- i was set up on a bonus plan,,and my bonus was also based on how well the total store did, along with my department,,
the assistant store manager,,was convinced their were always "two budgets" one that had to achieve the break even of the business, and one "paper" budget we would see and they knew we would never achieve them... they would change the numbers if we were getting close,,
which , in the long run,,, made managers say , wtf, we arent going to hit the budgets anyways





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years ago as a meat manager for a chain store- i was set up on a bonus plan,,and my bonus was also based on how well the total store did, along with my department,,
the assistant store manager,,was convinced their were always "two budgets" one that had to achieve the break even of the business, and one "paper" budget we would see and they knew we would never achieve them... they would change the numbers if we were getting close,,
which , in the long run,,, made managers say , wtf, we arent going to hit the budgets anyways




 I experienced much the same thing.  The company started a bonus plan for department managers because so few employees thought it was worth the hassle .  The first quarter on the plan I did great and maxed out.  I bought myself a very nice rifle for $800 and gave my wife the remaining $600.  But then, they started making the targets much tougher. After the first year I doubt anyone ever even thought about the bonus because you knew you weren't going to get one!



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years ago as a meat manager for a chain store- i was set up on a bonus plan,,and my bonus was also based on how well the total store did, along with my department,,
the assistant store manager,,was convinced their were always "two budgets" one that had to achieve the break even of the business, and one "paper" budget we would see and they knew we would never achieve them... they would change the numbers if we were getting close,,
which , in the long run,,, made managers say , wtf, we arent going to hit the budgets anyways


Standard store procedure every store I worked in. I kept good record's, did my own inventory's, spread sheet's. It didn't matter they were just blowing smoke up are butt's.



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Thanks guys that information pretty muched reafirmed my beliefs in the answer I presumed to be correct which is the company is just cooking books to blow smoke. I was just hoping for some deep mystical truth that I was unaware of. JimHenry2000 it is a publicly traded company. I don't want to say who but there CEO just resigned and they sold their Canadian branch and shutdown their Chicago branch lol thats all I'll say.

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