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Hobart use to sell fat analysers thru hubert supply
kevin is correct, you cook a small amount, and the juice runs in a test tube- a caliper measures the fat at the top of the juice for percentages

if you put a percentage desciption on the package of burger (like 90%) and it comes from bench trimmings, then you must test the fat ratio to prove the 90%
thats why chain stores love tube burger-it comes in all pre-determined

if you are using bench trimmings and using percentage stickers without testing it-you in violation

the fat analyser contraption is around 500.00



-- Edited by Mainemeatman on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 05:40:44 PM

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Right now my store shows percentages on the packages of hamburger - 75, 85, and 96% - But I've heard about fat analyzers and that soon we won't be able to have the percentage on there unless it's been tested.  Who out there uses this equipment?

How much do they run?  Are they necessary?  Is it too much of a pain to match exactly?  Can you reccomend a good one?



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No idea, not a bad thing to have, depending on whether you use tube beef, shank, or pectoral it will vary, as long as you are above you're good. If you are below you are falsely representing and advertising a product.

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You basically cook a premeasured amount of grinds and it measures the grease to determine the fat content.

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I used one of those a giant had no idea it was so expensive. its just this little thing

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That is exactly the device that we used. I too had no idea it was so expensive.  At my chain (PathMark) we sold ground beef by fat content.  We believed that was actually more accurate than "ground chuck, ground round, ground sirloin",etc.

We sold 80% lean, 85% lean, and 90% lean ground sirloin.  The latter was always made out of peeled knuckles.

We had to log the fat content of every batch, and we had to grind fresh batches every 4 hours and throw out the old, no regrinding or you would be terminated if caught.  We also had to break down and clean the grinder and blender after every batch.

I can tell you that with experience you can  make your grind pass the fat test for a given batch; you get the sense of how it will test and sometimes would skip the testing. Also we would grind the leanest batch first, 90, then 85, then 80, so we only had to break down and clean the grinder and blender after grinding all three.

Our company's policies were so strict that we never had to worry about board of health or county or state inspectors. God help you if a company inspector came in  and the grinder and blender were not spotless and sanitized (they took swabs for lab testing bacteria count) or if they caught you re-grinding or had ground beef in the case that did not match the fat content of the last grind on the log. You would be out the door.

 



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I remember years ago they use to come around with a little burner and cook a little bit of ground, caught it in a glass tube under it, do they still do that any more.



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Mainemeatman wrote:

Hobart use to sell fat analysers thru hubert supply
kevin is correct, you cook a small amount, and the juice runs in a test tube- a caliper measures the fat at the top of the juice for percentages

if you put a percentage desciption on the package of burger (like 90%) and it comes from bench trimmings, then you must test the fat ratio to prove the 90%
thats why chain stores love tube burger-it comes in all pre-determined

if you are using bench trimmings and using percentage stickers without testing it-you in violation

the fat analyser contraption is around 500.00



-- Edited by Mainemeatman on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 05:40:44 PM


 

The device in the picture you supplied is exactly like the one we had in all our stores at my former place of employment. It was required that we used it and document the results on every grind we made. If you run out of grind and make more, you have to test the new grind. 4 kinds of grind? You do 4 tests every morning. I think I used at least 3, probably 4 different of those machines (I was at 4 stores). All of them were unreliable. Often they wouldn't work. They wouldn't cook the meat. The other problem was that the sample of meat you cooked was too small. I mean too small to produce enough fat to measure exactly correct on the leaner grinds. If it was below 10%, it was hard to read. You can't tell if it's 07 or 05 I mean. Since the machines were broken a lot, or took all day to finally begin working, a lot of people would just falsify the documents just writing random (acceptable) results that they didn't actually take.
There is an older and much larger fat tester. Probably 10 X larger. I have one in my garage. You used 2 ounces of meat (about 13/100). These machines are much more accurate and reliable. However the test tubes and funnel are glass and for sure would get broken soon at most shops. It comes in a large case that holds extra tubes and a spare funnel. On the small machine, there's not a glass funnel and the test tube is not as fragile.
I understand that there's a modern machine that measures fat without cooking the meat. I haven't seen one.


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that was good information... so you got one of those in your garage? do you use it?

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Burgermeister wrote:

 I've taken it to work once or twice and used it just for the heck of it. I think I'll get it out and post a pic later.


 



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that was good information... so you got one of those in your garage? do you use it?


 I've taken it to work once or twice and used it just for the heck of it. I think I'll get it out and post a pic later. I'm just home for lunch for a few minutes.

 



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I found the small fat testers to be both reliable and accurate.  The key to reliability was keeping it clean, including cleaning the steel contacts with steel wool after each use. I considered them accurate because when one of our company's inspectors would make a "surprise attack" he would get the same results that we did.  The key to accuracy is to firmly push as much ground meat into the measure as possible.  You CAN fudge the results by holdng your thumb in the bottom of the measure so that you end up with a smaller sample of ground beef to test, and that will give you a leaner result, BUT, that would not help you when the inspector came in and tested your grind.



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You can avoid the testing by simply calling your grind Ground Chuck, Round, Sirloin, Lean, Extra Lean, etc. Currently, as long as you don't label with a percentage you don't have to test. I had an USDA inspector (badge and all!) in my store about 6 months ago and he explained it to me. We had to make adjustments.

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In our case, a 150 store chain, we had to grind what the company marketed, 80. 85, and 90% lean.

We almost never had any visits by any kind of govt. inspectors because our company had such a tight program, with our own inspectors, and a national reputation.



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wow thats an interesting piece of equipment. How old is it? I am assuming that the kind of thing an inspector would want to have with him.

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Thanks for the info everyone! After a bit of research into the cost of those machines and the time involved I think I'll just re-name the beef into these: (without the percentages on there of course)

Ground Beef - around 75-80%
Ground Sirloin - around 85%
Ground Round - around 90%

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fdarn wrote:

wow thats an interesting piece of equipment. How old is it? I am assuming that the kind of thing an inspector would want to have with him.


 I don't know how old the machine is. It's in very good shape. I think it was in brand new condition when I bought it in ebay 9 years ago. It's an old almost unused machine. When I started in the business in 1978, we had one just like in my shop. I got the feeling it was an old machine. I'd guess they've been around a long time. 1950's - 1980s?There is a serial number on it that could possibly date the machine.

I think it should be OK to just list fat content as "20% or less" instead of calling it "20%". Just be sure to always hit that number or go under it.



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hamburger , ground chuck , ground round, ground sirloin. problem solved.

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very interesting-thanks for sharing


dalt, the cooking channel-which many woman watch-often recommends a ground chuck grade
in these parts, ground chuck is the best seller-comparable to 85% lean

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hamburger , ground chuck , ground round, ground sirloin. problem solved.


 It's a simple fix and fulfills the requirements. Should an inspector come in and require a test (they have to provide the tester if you don't promote your grind in percentage) and you have your grinds labeled as "Ground Chuck", so long as the test comes in above 72% (the federally mandated highest alloted fat content) you'll be fine. Also, I've worked for a couple major retailers and I've only seen testing occur once, and that was within the company. It wasn't USDA mandated. I can tell you when a USDA inspector came into my store and flashed a badge, I pooed myself a little. LOL



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no, he went postal on the inspectors????

I didnt see that!!!

I'll have to look that up-

They can be downright irritating-but never thought to shoot one of them


 It was on the Biography Channel on a show called City Confidential

Look for season 11, episode 9

San Leandro, California: The Sausage King

Original Air Date:

5 November 2005


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I like one of my inspectors, he use to be a meatcutter, so on one hand, you cant b's him, and on the other, he knows where to look-for anything- I call him alot- try to be pro-active-he gives me down to earth answers on new policies that are written by lawyers



you keep good sanitation records, grinding logs, have your country of origin signs, and nutritional signs up-they should leave you alone.

I learned years ago, many of these inspectors are on a time-line, so have about 5 questions ready to ask them-they feel obligated to answer you-ask them if it is "legal" to vac seal fresh fish/seafood and sell it fresh- ask what are the new rules/laws coming in the near future-ask if their has been any violations/lawsuits in the area-not that they can disclose much-but may get a pulse on what they are focusing on.
ask if you can display a meatloaf mix, with ground pork and beef together
Just have 5-6 questions at the ready- I have derailed many an inspector, and they are fighting the clock, so maybe they'll just write something real quick and easy.


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I like one of my inspectors, he use to be a meatcutter, so on one hand, you cant b's him, and on the other, he knows where to look-for anything- I call him alot- try to be pro-active-he gives me down to earth answers on new policies that are written by lawyers



you keep good sanitation records, grinding logs, have your country of origin signs, and nutritional signs up-they should leave you alone.

I learned years ago, many of these inspectors are on a time-line, so have about 5 questions ready to ask them-they feel obligated to answer you-ask them if it is "legal" to vac seal fresh fish/seafood and sell it fresh- ask what are the new rules/laws coming in the near future-ask if their has been any violations/lawsuits in the area-not that they can disclose much-but may get a pulse on what they are focusing on.
ask if you can display a meatloaf mix, with ground pork and beef together
Just have 5-6 questions at the ready- I have derailed many an inspector, and they are fighting the clock, so maybe they'll just write something real quick and easy.


 Last night I saw a repeat of a TV show about Stewart Alexander "the Sausage King" from Santos Linguisa, a sausage company in San Leandro Ca. He didn't want to comply with the government inspectors orders to get sanatization and temperatures, etc.,  correct. They got him so mad that he shot and killed 3 inspectors at his company one day. Did anyone here see the show?

Maybe that could be one of your 5 questions. smile





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no, he went postal on the inspectors????

I didnt see that!!!

I'll have to look that up-

They can be downright irritating-but never thought to shoot one of them



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Huh....I never had a problem with any inspectors before. I just let them walk around and look and they give me an A+ every time. from my experience its the delis and cooked foods that they really zero in on. It seems like the deli depts. are always getting it. Everything from temperatures, to sanitary to having bowls of veggies in the sinks destined for washing hands. its just goes on and on. the only thing I can remember getting wrote up was having a cracked floor drain cover, he was worried someone would trip on it. So I got an A- that day :*(

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