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Here is a few ways to make patties- the plastic patty makers are cheap to buy, and they work well

I made these while at a store a few years ago-hopefully one of these links work

http://youtu.be/CH1eEgZ_-fo



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 What do you use?? 

 Bench trimmings or tube burger (which is pre-determined lean/fat ratio and easier to track on grinding logs)

Do you have a smaller grinder for ground pork, lamb, chicken??

If using  bench trimmings do you have a fat analyzer? to test/measure the lean to fat ratio?

do you name your bench trimming grinds ground chuck? ground round? ground sirloin?  ground beef?

 

While we are discussing grinds-why is it that  e-coli seems to come from grinds and not steaks?

 

 

 



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I just started at this post a week ago but they have 75%, 85% and 96% lean burger .. it's made with trim and lean meat (currently chuck tenders). We have no analyzer so I'm debating removing the percentages from the labels and going with something simple like Ground Chuck and Ground Sirloin - screw the extra lean, who wants no flavor?

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If you dont have a fat analyzer and you use bench trimmings, the inspectors can nail you on the percentages (stickers)


the extra lean- I agree very little flavor- but some folks are told by their dr. to eat lean meats and burger
and many woman shoppers, feel better about buying leaner beef of burger-even if its less flavor and/or tougher
the dieters are another group that want very lean high protein and also diabetics


for a price burger-the 75%, you can just call it ground beef-then ground chuck (around 85-88% lean)

The lean grade-Ive seen ground round and ground sirloin

using bench trimmings can be a marketing advantage- and you can use that in your flyers- "our ground chuck is ground fresh many times daily" not pre-processed, or shipped in from hundreds of miles away.
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"if freshness and flavor are important to you, than buy your burger here"

Chuck/mock tenders are good to use!!

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I fabricate Ground round, Sirloin, and Chuck with both muscle specific trim (4 lugs under the table) and primals
Round- Bottom Round
Sirloin- mix of Knuckle and Top Butt
Chuck- Chuck Muscles

I also do a mix grind we call butchers choice

We do have a fat tester and we use it



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joe, i like the butcher's choice description -awesome idea!!


do you make patties?

Some places sell store made specialty burger patties and do very well! (even without a patty machine)

even something as simple as garlic and pepper patties -some customers have a hard time forming patties-have arthritis, or just plain dont like to touch meat that much-so they buy the prepared patties





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Bench trim only. I am relieved to put the days of tube grinds behind me. I sell 80/20 ground chuck from clods or chuck rolls and occassional fattier parts of inside rounds, I sell ground sirloin from knuckles not a spec of fat allowed in there and ground round from the inside rounds agian no fat allowed. I believe inspectors will nail you for too much fat but not too little. If ia m wrong please let me know. I watch my fat very closely.

If I want to make patties I grind it into a narrow sleeve and freeze it then slice it the next day with the saw. thats just the way we have to do it in the world were pattie machines are a little out of our budget.

I know a meat manager who is actually a member of this club. I visit his store on occasiona and he has some amazing looking ground beef patties in there with bacon and cheese in there. I am going to start kicking myself for not trying that in my dept. yet.

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that was interesting I did the cookie cutter method before that worked good. I think that also might help explain why e coli always seems to be in groud beef. he really kneed that stuff if he forgot to wash its in there.

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we use both tube & trimming, but can't mix them

we aren't allow to grind chicken

we don't have a fat analyzer, we grind by eye, state people no long cook for fat per cent

trim goes out as ground beef, we have two numbers for ground beef grinds, one for tube, one for trim

Meat  becomes contaminated with E. coli during the slaughtering process, when the contents of an animal’s intestines and feces are allowed to come into contact with the carcass. If the carcass isn't sanitized, the E. coli bacteria are mixed into the meat as it is ground.



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Some great selling patties


Bacon and cheddar patties

onion and pepper patties-chopped onions and peppers-these may sell very well

spinach and feta patties-sounds weird, but sells well in some places

hotnspicy beef patties-mix with hot sausage seasoning

pizza patties- mix with pizza sauce and mozz. cheese-these are great sellers in some places


also- you can take some ground sirloin, flatten and run thru cuber once for "chopped sirloin"
I'll try to attach a picture-some stores do very well with these



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i call that minute steak (running ground beef through the cuber) It did really well when I was working in virginia..I can't seem to get them to try it in michigan.

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mainemeatman I like your ideals, I'm one that hasn't the man power to do a lot of extra. do intend to keep some of your ideals in mind



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beefman

I've seen 3 stores buy one of these small grinders and grind pork, and chicken-Ive even made chicken sausage in casings from one of these grinders

they look cheap , but they are little powerhouses- over 2000 watts

they sell them on ebay for just 100.00 including shipping-they look like a cheap toy, but it will grind a whole chicken leg-bone and all-thats how strong a motor they have



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I was trying to get one of those on ebay last month for personal use.

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fdarn, try the minute steaks again-but throw some chopped green peppers on them-you can also call them pepper-steaks, the color contrast looks terrific-very eye-appealing

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i was just thinking i am going to give them another whirl tomorrow. Will try the peppers on them too

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Mainemeatman wrote:

joe, i like the butcher's choice description -awesome idea!!


do you make patties?

Some places sell store made specialty burger patties and do very well! (even without a patty machine)

even something as simple as garlic and pepper patties -some customers have a hard time forming patties-have arthritis, or just plain dont like to touch meat that much-so they buy the prepared patties




 We have an awesome patty machine from Biro.

Uses a wire to cut them into 6oz patties

We do a patty mix of Sirloin, chuck and ground brisket. We also do regular butchers choice burgers in a 8 pack frozen and with the BC trim I do gourmet patties (Bacon blue cheese, Bacon Cheddar, Mushroom Swiss, Pizza, Pepperjack, Aneheim Chili, etc)

My store is a little unconventional, there is a restaurant where the grocery aisles would be) so we go through tons of patties. The Grill does 100-200 of those chuck, sirloin, brisket burgers daily

I still generate more trim then I can use in Grinding operations however so we make 3 kinds of meatballs, meatloaf, stuffed peppers,



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We use tube Angus Chuck, and regular Sirloin for our service case. Trimmings are just from all the cuts during the afternoon and we package it in three lb. Family packs labeled as regular 75% (since we don't have a fat analyzer) but depending on who does most of the cutting for the day it could very well be a lot leaner. (or fatter if this one guy has been cutting. . LOL) Then we mark them down next day if they haven't sold, but usually they sell very well.

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We DID have a fat tester and were required to use it..  We sold 80% lean ground chuck, 85% lean ground round, and 90% lean ground sirloin.  The 90% lean was required to be made out of only peeled knuckles. Failure to do so could and would result in termination. The other two could be a mix of table trim and 80% course ground as long as the fat content tested as advertised.

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Big Beef wrote:

I fabricate Ground round, Sirloin, and Chuck with both muscle specific trim (4 lugs under the table) and primals
Round- Bottom Round
Sirloin- mix of Knuckle and Top Butt
Chuck- Chuck Muscles

I also do a mix grind we call butchers choice

We do have a fat tester and we use it


 

Although knuckle is also known as sirloin tip, is it technically correct to call it ground sirloin if you grind it? I used to work at a store that sold some Certified Angus Beef and the rest was non Angus USDA Choice. Anyway, one of our grinds was Certified Angus ground round. It was company policy that we used only Certified Angus peeled knuckles for the Certified Angus ground round. So if we were calling it round, and you are calling it sirloin, who's right? Can you morally/legally call it either?
I don't know why we weren't allowed to use other parts of the round for CAB ground round. We had to sign a large book full of rules including that one.


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Burgermeister. good question,
technically the knuckle is in the round category-however, even on the beef made easy poster-they call the tip steaks cap off-sirloin tip steak


The knuckle may swing both ways- but to play it safe- id stick with ground round,-tho i've never seen it questioned by an inspector

with C.A.B. usually you have to sign a contract to be licensed, and in the contract it states, not to place any cab stickers, or description, on anything but cab-quite the exclusive program.

I like the butcher's choice description!!!





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Good points. I guess a knuckle could  be called either sirloin or round.  And yes we called the steaks sliced off a knuckle sirloin tip steaks. I can say that this decision was made by HQ of a 150 store chain, one very concerned with best practices across the board so I know there are certainly no legal reasons not to call it sirloin. Remember our full name was "90% lean ground sirloin."  If a cutter made a batch, did not fat test it, faked the log entry (we had to log all our grinds every 4 hours) and one of our company inspectors came in and got a different fat content than what was on the log, you would be out of a job, and this in a union environment. Compliance with company policies was the highest priority, at least in my dept because I did not want anyone getting fired.



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We use only block trim and whole muscle. I prefer to use chucks and clods but mocks are a better price right now...plus they make great stew meat.


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i dont git the tube in the only kind of burgers i sell is chuck and angus so i just use store trim.



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