i hate it when that happens. the store managers job is to look good your job is to make money. so how did you handle that? i would have been really pissed i had to tell people no a few times today when asked for things we don't do anymore like bulk orders or sorry but i am really out of cumberland half hams.
It looks to me like the store manager made a customer happy, not throw the cutter or meat manager under the bus. The cutter or meat manager will get over it and the customer (the people that keep the store open) will most likley shop this store in the future.
number9manager and fdarn I see both sides of this argument, he made a customer happy but at the cost of making a meat dept person look dumb. I have seen cases where store managers step over the line and get market people in trouble just to make points with customers.
one off the top of my mind, no refund with out a receipt, meat man says no, store manager gives it to them, meat god gets piss at cutter when he sees it was refunded without a receipt
number9manager and fdarn I see both sides of this argument, he made a customer happy but at the cost of making a meat dept person look dumb. I have seen cases where store managers step over the line and get market people in trouble just to make points with customers.
one off the top of my mind, no refund with out a receipt, meat man says no, store manager gives it to them, meat god gets piss at cutter when he sees it was refunded without a receipt
It looks to me like the "meat god " as you say, is mad at the wrong person.
I also agree that the store manager ,or any manager, should not make someone feel dumb when taking care of a customer. There are better ways of handling situations like this.
I seen this on Face Book, Have any of you had a Store Manager throw you under the bus ???
A lady asked me if we had anymore whole spiral sugardale hams.
I said no sorry we don't
well can u price me 2 half's for the whole price.
Again I said no 3 times nicely.
Two minutes later the store mng comes in with 2 half's and has me price it as one
As a non manager, what I hate is when no matter what decison you make, you might get in trouble. Normally (if we're out of wholes) I'd be happy to price two halves as one whole. UNLESS I've already been told to never do that no matter what. Things like that have happened to me a lot. You follow the meat managers orders. A customer gets mad. She or he goes up front and complains. Store manager comes back and sides with customer and you end up looking like a doofus. I had been meaning to post something about that.
I don't see this situation as the Store Manager making the Market Manager look bad, all he did is make the customer happy Remember who ultimately signs our paychecks The money lost on pricing two halves as a whole will more then be made up by the increased sales a happy customer brings
A customer who is mad or disappointed will tell 10 others on average about the situation a happy customer tells 5 so twice as many people are going to hear about a disappointment at the store
Not everything we do can be looked at as having an immediate monetary impact. We have to look beyond today and into tomorrow
I learned from one company I worked at that it is ok to make the customer happy at any cost
ever since then I have worked on empowering my teams to do the same and just make the customer happy and it will all work ouot
You know what.......it really does all work out
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Joe Parajecki
Operations Manager/ Partner
Kettle Range Meat Company, Milwaukee WI
Member Meat Cutter Hall of Fame and The Butcher's Guild
I totally agree with making the customer happy. There is far too many places to shop and deals to be had now days. The customer you satisfy will remember and tell others and the customer shopping is the reason you even get to punch that clock in the morning. I have had managers override my desion and for me its a relief. I have also had them back me if its nessesary. Its all about communication and working together.
Agreed, however, another "bottom line" here and I might be over-analyzing is the following. We, ourselves, are customers from time to time and we do remember the service we recieved mostly because we work on the other end of it. I really don't think customers hold things like this in their active memory long enough to be affected to the point of telling 10 other people. It's just giving people, including myself, too much credit(in memory retention). You can preach all the psychology you want about it but the real "bottom line" here is that if you have a good customer service record and your counter looks nice and fresh, they will be back for more by the merits of your reputation, not to mention, your prices.
let me reprase. when you are trying to follow policy (not neccessarly being a jerk) and the manager comes along and throws that policy out the window as if there wasn't one in the first place. Its embarrassing and it makes you look like a lazy jerk. I doubt the guy was trying to be a jerk. He was just trying to follow the rules. Maybe the manager could have explained that to the lady.
I'm lucky I guess. At my current store the store manager is a hardcore vegan. He hardly sets foot in the meat and seafood dept. It's pretty sweet. He has 25+ years of experience and does offer advice or criticism from time to time, most of it warranted and helpful. He pretty much backs me up all the time and I do the same for him. As far as pricing 2 halves as a whole ham at whole ham price, no problem...there might be a 1/4 lb of ground beef accidentally on the scale with it...LOL!
I agree with making the customer happy, even if it means losing a few profit dollars. At least they are buying their meat from you. What really pisses me of is when some thief comes in and tries to steal $170 dollars from my dept. Sure glad LP was on top of it and I got my meat back, 3 more steps and he would have been gone, $430 packed into 1 cart. Talk about real loss. I just think about losing money that way and it really minimizes the 2 half ham thing. total profit loss for the ham probably around $4, making a customer happy and wanting to return PRICELESS! Within reason of course. I still say my share of "nope I cant".
Customer/Guest is KING! There are few exception to that policy. A basic business 101 rule. From my experience over the years , I have found that most Store Directors and department Leaders prefer having this type of opportunity handled at the department level. Meat cutters generally receive higher wages, possess skills and often a greater knowledge of the products they work with. Management, has a right to expect cutters to accept greater customer P.R. responsibilities. Most managers, do not want to be bothered with scenarios like the one in this thread. If a employer pricing policy allows for reasonable flexing, it is there for a reason! Deal with it promptly and locally. The ONE unhappy guest telling TEN others rule applies here. However, one should never tolerate or support, any management interference that embarrasses a subordinate's dignity directly in front of a customer or team members.
let me reprase. when you are trying to follow policy (not neccessarly being a jerk) and the manager comes along and throws that policy out the window as if there wasn't one in the first place. Its embarrassing and it makes you look like a lazy jerk. I doubt the guy was trying to be a jerk. He was just trying to follow the rules. Maybe the manager could have explained that to the lady.
Exactly. That's what I was saying above. It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.
It would be nice if they stick to the rules, or if they make an exception at least say that the cutter is right, and he likely would have gotten in trouble if he changed a price for you. But even then, it's an awkward moment.
I seen this on Face Book, Have any of you had a Store Manager throw you under the bus ???
A lady asked me if we had anymore whole spiral sugardale hams.
I said no sorry we don't
well can u price me 2 half's for the whole price.
Again I said no 3 times nicely.
Two minutes later the store mng comes in with 2 half's and has me price it as one
I think you should price two halves the same as a whole. Especially since often center slices were "stolen" from the so called halves. Your cost is probably the same too.
But the rule is the rule, not matter how crazy.
I think Leon's situation is different than when it happenes to me. Leon was a manager and I'm not. It's Leon's job to make money for they store. His decision on this should be final. No store manager should override him, especially right in front of him and a customer. The store manager should have told her that "Leon is my meat manager. I trust his judgement on this". Maybe the store manager was afraid she'd go higher up if he said no?
At the same time, they shouldn't make the cutter look like a doofus if he's following the rules.
And support the manager's decision on price related issues.
There is an exception I think should be seriously considered from store managers supporting meat managers, and that's when they have a "problem" with me that they have to resolve.
Brother Larry, this wasn't me, it was something I saw posted on Face Book
I seen this on Face Book, Have any of you had a Store Manager throw you under the bus ???
Myself as a manager I would have gave her the deal, Said Merry Christmas, save me the left overs, as a cutter with company policy in play I would have sent her to the store manger. As a cutter I always told them I didn't have the authority to do anything where it involved cutting a price and it was up to the store manager. saves a cutter a lot of grief and wasted time talking to them lol
As a manager I never had a problem like that when I was at work BUT I have seen a lot of cutters catch hell for stuff because of a store manager as i'm sure you and a lot of others here have.
Brother Larry, this wasn't me, it was something I saw posted on Face Book
I seen this on Face Book, Have any of you had a Store Manager throw you under the bus ???
Myself as a manager I would have gave her the deal, Said Merry Christmas, save me the left overs, as a cutter with company policy in play I would have sent her to the store manger. As a cutter I always told them I didn't have the authority to do anything where it involved cutting a price and it was up to the store manager. saves a cutter a lot of grief and wasted time talking to them lol
As a manager I never had a problem like that when I was at work BUT I have seen a lot of cutters catch hell for stuff because of a store manager as i'm sure you and a lot of others here have.
I wondered about that. I thought maybe you meant you saw the question on facebook and then you decided to share your experience.
I wondered about that. I thought maybe you meant you saw the question on facebook and then you decided to share your experience.
it would take a big book for me toshare my experiences, I don't have enough years left to write it LOL The BIG cutting room up there isn't far away LOL
iT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME. IM TRYING TO FOLLOW COMPANY POLICIES AND PROCUDERS AND THEY TELL US OTHER WISE. IT REALY PISSES ME OFF BECAUSE IF THEY CAUGHT ME BREAKING POLICY THEY WOULD FIRE ME.